I have had an experience as a board member recently where the director put forth a proposal, and the board discussed it, and then voted. Most city council meetings I’ve been to have been similar — someone else proposes something, then the council discusses it and then votes. Should there be another group that votes?
The logic and dynamics in an elected council are totally different. The discussion BY the city council you mention somewhat substitutes for the listening to careful pro and con presentations form those who crafted the proposal of a sortition jury... because in the scenario you gave the council would only be getting the PRO argument from the drafter.. . But the councils' discussion is very weak tea compared to a carefully prepared pro and con presentation. It only makes sense to have separate body do the final vote if they are large enough to be genuinely representative of the population and get the balanced presentations. In the case of a city council they are more akin to a board of directors that make no pretense of being representative of the population... more like fiduciary agents with delegated authority. (Not a good system but not as bad as a state or national legislature). In short the basis for legitimacy, and the workings are so completely different between elected and lottery bodies, the analogy might be something like wanting to but a muffler on an electric car... it just isn't functional or relevant.
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I have had an experience as a board member recently where the director put forth a proposal, and the board discussed it, and then voted. Most city council meetings I’ve been to have been similar — someone else proposes something, then the council discusses it and then votes. Should there be another group that votes?
The logic and dynamics in an elected council are totally different. The discussion BY the city council you mention somewhat substitutes for the listening to careful pro and con presentations form those who crafted the proposal of a sortition jury... because in the scenario you gave the council would only be getting the PRO argument from the drafter.. . But the councils' discussion is very weak tea compared to a carefully prepared pro and con presentation. It only makes sense to have separate body do the final vote if they are large enough to be genuinely representative of the population and get the balanced presentations. In the case of a city council they are more akin to a board of directors that make no pretense of being representative of the population... more like fiduciary agents with delegated authority. (Not a good system but not as bad as a state or national legislature). In short the basis for legitimacy, and the workings are so completely different between elected and lottery bodies, the analogy might be something like wanting to but a muffler on an electric car... it just isn't functional or relevant.