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Bob Goldberg's avatar

I’m really looking forward to actual examples of sortition and citizen assemblies. You have been mentioning all kinds of sortition, but it’s hard for me to grasp how this would go on the ground, so examples would be really helpful.

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Hello from Germany!

I have recently learned about the existence of this blog after reading Guerreros Lottocracy book. I am very impressed and think that his and your work possess extensive commonalities, as well as some important differences. I think both approaches combined can really become, as you state in your conclusion, the North Star for system change.

That being said, I thought some of my questions are perhaps placed best under this article.

1. Regarding the Agenda Council: are the latest experiences/evaluation of the East-Belgium Model included in your thoughts? Are you aware of any problems that just started surfacing later on? How well could this be complemented with civic democracy tech for participation in your eyes?

2. Regarding the Interest Panel: this appears to me as complimentary with Guerreros idea of an "expert database", where people are drawn by lot if their work belongs to the respective subjects.

An author here in Germany suggested it to be useful if the participants of a deliberation, which would be the review panel in your model, can choose more experts/stakeholders/affected voices on their own during the course of the process - if they feel that would be useful or necessary. Do you as well believe that this can be useful and how would you incorporate it in your model?

3. Regarding the review panel: Guerrero and you essentially suggest the same model, though he calls it "SILL"s and suggests 20 of them right from the start for various subjects. However, there are voices saying that ideally, no allotted assembly should come together longer than one week (full time) in order to completely avoid internal group power dynamics buildups. Thus, complex legislation topics should rather be split into shorter chunks that can effectively be taken on by one such assembly. Than the next one in the week after will build on that work and so on. Another body would than be needed split the subjects accordingly (if thats not done prior by for example the Agenda/Coordination Council). Do you have any thoughts on this?

4. Regarding the policy jury: It appears to me that digital deliberative polling, as James Fishkin does with the platform of the Stanford deliberation lab, might be better suited than a plenary jury. Why do you believe that a (digital) plenary session is better suited, particularly for highly complex/contested topics?

5. Regarding the rules council: It appears to me that this council might better be suited as kind of co-creational digital participation process that involves as many people of the population as possible. Everybody should learn and understand how the system works. Everybody should be able to suggest changes. Why do you believe that this is also better be done but just a few people?

Last but not least: I think it would be very worthy to further engage with the counter arguments by Lafont and Urbinati in their defence against the lottocratic mentality.

Thank you for reading that comment and for all the amazing work on this substack!

Best regards,

Maik

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